[sluggo]

John thanks for the info, and this is not your problem but, I ordered from here, and now I have regrets.  First there are minimums on the number you have to buy like say, 5.  No problem I needed 5.  on the tool, you had to order 2 no problem, heck it was only a couple of buck.  Okay at the end it says 'low $ order' have to add $5, which had I known that , I would have bought more.  And the zinger was, we will tell you shipping cost later.  Today I get the bill, $20 for shipping!  $33 buck for $7 worth of stuff.

Now their web site is very good, I guess I could cancel , but didn't feel like it as I would have to start over.  Rant over